We try something new

This week, the guys try something totally new.  Evan Carmichael and Mark Drager get together at Phanta Media's offices for a long-format conversation where they dig into going bald, overcoming the shame of making mistakes, how to coach people, and so much more.   Tell them what you think of this longer format by leaving a comment, DM-ing them on Insta, or emailing [email protected].