68 "Hollow Pursuits" (TNG S3, E21)
Star Trek The Next Conversation - a semi funny trashfire of a Star Trek podcast currently about TV's Deep Space Nine DS9 (or TNG) - Un pódcast de Matt Mira and Andrew Secunda
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Matt and Andy spend a lot of time on the Holodeck with their new best friend Reginald Barclay. Only Guinan "gets" them. Episode discussion begins at the 35(isn) minute mark.